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	<title>Comments on: SNOW UPDATE:  Over 18 Inches So Far; Community Center, Library Closed Sunday</title>
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		<title>By: Garrett Rambler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett Rambler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Barry B. but, I will be more blunt.  Stop all the whining - roll your sleeves up and do some work.  We have been spoiled by the level of service we receive in our &quot;little city&quot; but, that was yesterday.  Budgets have been cut and will be further reduced in the future.  FC residents should stop crying and bond together to overcome perceived difficulties the old fashion way.  Use some of that energy to assist your neighbor to clean their car off or offer to go shopping for someone who can&#039;t make it out.

These are great times to become a good neighbor and a great citizen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Barry B. but, I will be more blunt.  Stop all the whining &#8211; roll your sleeves up and do some work.  We have been spoiled by the level of service we receive in our &#8220;little city&#8221; but, that was yesterday.  Budgets have been cut and will be further reduced in the future.  FC residents should stop crying and bond together to overcome perceived difficulties the old fashion way.  Use some of that energy to assist your neighbor to clean their car off or offer to go shopping for someone who can&#8217;t make it out.</p>
<p>These are great times to become a good neighbor and a great citizen!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Witzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Witzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the &quot;more fun yet to come&quot; category, I see that Arlington County is asking help from residents to clear out storm drains.  

Their email says &quot;Arlington County is asking all residents to pitch in and help direct the water run off as the snow melts from the recent storm. Most of the storm drains are blocked with accumulations of snow and slush. This prevents water run off from entering the storm drains creating standing pools of water that refreeze when it gets colder.&quot;

Predictions of freezing rain for Christmas make this a bit more urgent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the &#8220;more fun yet to come&#8221; category, I see that Arlington County is asking help from residents to clear out storm drains.  </p>
<p>Their email says &#8220;Arlington County is asking all residents to pitch in and help direct the water run off as the snow melts from the recent storm. Most of the storm drains are blocked with accumulations of snow and slush. This prevents water run off from entering the storm drains creating standing pools of water that refreeze when it gets colder.&#8221;</p>
<p>Predictions of freezing rain for Christmas make this a bit more urgent.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Loblaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Loblaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing I am most thankful for was the fact that I did not have a power outage.  I don&#039;t know about everyone else but I hate not having power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I am most thankful for was the fact that I did not have a power outage.  I don&#8217;t know about everyone else but I hate not having power.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Rankin (Falls Church)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Rankin (Falls Church)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like at this point all roads should be plowed since some roads have been plowed multiple times.  Is it possible that some streets were just missed?  Does the City have a specific mechanism for residents to alert them to possible oversights?  If nothing else, I&#039;d send an email to city-manager@fallschurchva.gov just to make sure they know they&#039;ve missed a street.  Obviously, the guys have been working hard but it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if a few spots were missed by mistake.

As for the shoveling of sidewalks - I noticed this morning that my efforts around my house (living on a corner is not so great right about now) fell victim to the same thing  Stan Fendley mentions above.  In my case, the sidewalk along Little Falls completely adjacent to Little Falls so when the crews kept plowing to clear the full width of Little Falls the snow necessarily ends up on the sidewalk.  In front of most of my house the next thing is a 3-4 foot retaining wall.  That means that my only options for clearing the sidewalk are to lift the nasty snow/ice 3-4 feet up on top of the retaining wall, or haul the snow/ice away, or shovel it back into the street (assuming the plows won&#039;t bother coming through again).

This is a real issue.  The obvious short term solution seems to be to not bother plowing the full width of Little Falls - it&#039;s a wide road and completely passable even with a few feet of snow left on both sides.  The long term solution is to make the road narrower and the sidewalks wider - but that&#039;s not likely to happen any time soon (if ever).

At this point I can&#039;t see myself clearing the sidewalk again so I&#039;m hoping they don&#039;t fine me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like at this point all roads should be plowed since some roads have been plowed multiple times.  Is it possible that some streets were just missed?  Does the City have a specific mechanism for residents to alert them to possible oversights?  If nothing else, I&#8217;d send an email to <a href="mailto:city-manager@fallschurchva.gov">city-manager@fallschurchva.gov</a> just to make sure they know they&#8217;ve missed a street.  Obviously, the guys have been working hard but it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if a few spots were missed by mistake.</p>
<p>As for the shoveling of sidewalks &#8211; I noticed this morning that my efforts around my house (living on a corner is not so great right about now) fell victim to the same thing  Stan Fendley mentions above.  In my case, the sidewalk along Little Falls completely adjacent to Little Falls so when the crews kept plowing to clear the full width of Little Falls the snow necessarily ends up on the sidewalk.  In front of most of my house the next thing is a 3-4 foot retaining wall.  That means that my only options for clearing the sidewalk are to lift the nasty snow/ice 3-4 feet up on top of the retaining wall, or haul the snow/ice away, or shovel it back into the street (assuming the plows won&#8217;t bother coming through again).</p>
<p>This is a real issue.  The obvious short term solution seems to be to not bother plowing the full width of Little Falls &#8211; it&#8217;s a wide road and completely passable even with a few feet of snow left on both sides.  The long term solution is to make the road narrower and the sidewalks wider &#8211; but that&#8217;s not likely to happen any time soon (if ever).</p>
<p>At this point I can&#8217;t see myself clearing the sidewalk again so I&#8217;m hoping they don&#8217;t fine me!</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Rhodes, Falls Church City</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Rhodes, Falls Church City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be three days late and more than a dollar short, but I wanted to weigh in on the snow plowing, or lack thereof.  I live on Falls Avenue, closer to Offutt than Broad, and our street has yet to be plowed.  I am so thankful for Curry&#039;s Auto Service because a bunch of their guys came out and shoveled Falls Avenue in front of their facility, but the rest of the street is a mess.  Offutt is in worse shape than Falls - it is like driving the back roads of a third world country.  I know that this was a remarkable snow event, but felt that if the plows had come through once or twice during the snowfall, rather than waiting until it subsided, or in my case, at all.  Unfortunately, now all we are left with is thick chunks of ice.  Please don&#039;t get me wrong, I love FCC and the people who keep it running smoothly, many of whom are my good friends - I was just surprised by the lack of clean up during and after this storm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be three days late and more than a dollar short, but I wanted to weigh in on the snow plowing, or lack thereof.  I live on Falls Avenue, closer to Offutt than Broad, and our street has yet to be plowed.  I am so thankful for Curry&#8217;s Auto Service because a bunch of their guys came out and shoveled Falls Avenue in front of their facility, but the rest of the street is a mess.  Offutt is in worse shape than Falls &#8211; it is like driving the back roads of a third world country.  I know that this was a remarkable snow event, but felt that if the plows had come through once or twice during the snowfall, rather than waiting until it subsided, or in my case, at all.  Unfortunately, now all we are left with is thick chunks of ice.  Please don&#8217;t get me wrong, I love FCC and the people who keep it running smoothly, many of whom are my good friends &#8211; I was just surprised by the lack of clean up during and after this storm.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Theisz, City of Falls Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Theisz, City of Falls Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Robert, sorry if you think I twisted your words, I just wanted to say that the City crews have done an admirable job considering the circumstances, but I&#039;ll concede your point about opening the offices - maybe they shouldn&#039;t have opened.  None-the-less, we are very fortunate to have the snow removal capabilties of our staff when compared to our neighbors.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Robert, sorry if you think I twisted your words, I just wanted to say that the City crews have done an admirable job considering the circumstances, but I&#8217;ll concede your point about opening the offices &#8211; maybe they shouldn&#8217;t have opened.  None-the-less, we are very fortunate to have the snow removal capabilties of our staff when compared to our neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Rankin (Falls Church)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Rankin (Falls Church)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, the hedges around City Hall were swapped out in May of this year - maybe the plan was put in place a long time ago though.

Also, I assume that when schools and City Hall are closed we still pay the staff so how much savings would we really see by closing City Hall?  I&#039;m not saying it would have been a bad idea to close City Hall - I&#039;m just saying it probably wouldn&#039;t really have saved much money and even if it did it probably wouldn&#039;t have helped get more snow cleared.

How does the state of emergency work?  Do we get extra money from the state and if so, what can/did we use it for?

As for Dana&#039;s question, I assume the owners of the old post office building are responsible for clearing the snow (I think it&#039;s the owner&#039;s responsibility - not the tenant).  The old 2 Sisters Coffee lot is actually owned by the Economic Development Authority - so I&#039;m not sure who should clear that sidewalk.  I&#039;m guessing it technically falls on the City but maybe I should get out there and shovel (I&#039;m a member of the EDA).  I did notice this morning that Broad Street on that side is pretty bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, the hedges around City Hall were swapped out in May of this year &#8211; maybe the plan was put in place a long time ago though.</p>
<p>Also, I assume that when schools and City Hall are closed we still pay the staff so how much savings would we really see by closing City Hall?  I&#8217;m not saying it would have been a bad idea to close City Hall &#8211; I&#8217;m just saying it probably wouldn&#8217;t really have saved much money and even if it did it probably wouldn&#8217;t have helped get more snow cleared.</p>
<p>How does the state of emergency work?  Do we get extra money from the state and if so, what can/did we use it for?</p>
<p>As for Dana&#8217;s question, I assume the owners of the old post office building are responsible for clearing the snow (I think it&#8217;s the owner&#8217;s responsibility &#8211; not the tenant).  The old 2 Sisters Coffee lot is actually owned by the Economic Development Authority &#8211; so I&#8217;m not sure who should clear that sidewalk.  I&#8217;m guessing it technically falls on the City but maybe I should get out there and shovel (I&#8217;m a member of the EDA).  I did notice this morning that Broad Street on that side is pretty bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that sidewalks in front of residences are actually better (this year) than they have been in the past. Who has responsibility for the sidewalks in front of the &quot;old&quot; post office &amp; the now-vacant lot that used to be 2 Sisters Coffee? Those did not appear to be touched yesterday. Didn&#039;t venture that way today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that sidewalks in front of residences are actually better (this year) than they have been in the past. Who has responsibility for the sidewalks in front of the &#8220;old&#8221; post office &amp; the now-vacant lot that used to be 2 Sisters Coffee? Those did not appear to be touched yesterday. Didn&#8217;t venture that way today.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Buschow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Buschow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city crew is down 5 people because of the budget.  We are all going to have to make some adjustments.  The crew that is left worked around the clock.  I think all jurisdictions have similiar problems.  We need to be thankful for all the hard work that the existing crew has accomplished in the 6th biggest snow fall ever in this area and the worst in a December.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city crew is down 5 people because of the budget.  We are all going to have to make some adjustments.  The crew that is left worked around the clock.  I think all jurisdictions have similiar problems.  We need to be thankful for all the hard work that the existing crew has accomplished in the 6th biggest snow fall ever in this area and the worst in a December.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Loblaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Loblaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon you have twisted what I said.  The snow crew has worked hard but they are under staffed (no fault of their own).  That is the problem.  You also said I did not make it to DMV, that is also wrong I have a 4x4 truck and made it with ease, I even found it fun.  Had my wife or mother needed to visit DMV I would not have been mad because the ice overhanging the entrances, roads, and parking lots were very dangerous.  Driving outside of the City is not worse.  I drove all over Fairfax and even up to Gaithersburg with little issues and guess what, the ice and gov&#039;t parking lots were not issues because those County decision makers were right in their decisions to close up shop.  So that you don&#039;t twist my points again I will make it clear again.  City workers are hard workers and are short on staff,  City Hall should have been closed yesterday because it was a hazard unless you have nice snow boots, 4x4, and love dodging falling ice, like me.  Also Gordon, the shrubs were done very close to the time 7 positions were cut and our little City put into place a hiring freeze.  Hiring freeze = frozen roads due to lack of snow removal staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon you have twisted what I said.  The snow crew has worked hard but they are under staffed (no fault of their own).  That is the problem.  You also said I did not make it to DMV, that is also wrong I have a 4&#215;4 truck and made it with ease, I even found it fun.  Had my wife or mother needed to visit DMV I would not have been mad because the ice overhanging the entrances, roads, and parking lots were very dangerous.  Driving outside of the City is not worse.  I drove all over Fairfax and even up to Gaithersburg with little issues and guess what, the ice and gov&#8217;t parking lots were not issues because those County decision makers were right in their decisions to close up shop.  So that you don&#8217;t twist my points again I will make it clear again.  City workers are hard workers and are short on staff,  City Hall should have been closed yesterday because it was a hazard unless you have nice snow boots, 4&#215;4, and love dodging falling ice, like me.  Also Gordon, the shrubs were done very close to the time 7 positions were cut and our little City put into place a hiring freeze.  Hiring freeze = frozen roads due to lack of snow removal staff.</p>
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