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		<title>By: Ira Kaylin Falls Church City</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ira Kaylin Falls Church City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

Terrific article.  I hope many readers go to your link, as it is very useful in understanding possible alternative uses for the South Washington properties.</description>
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<p>Terrific article.  I hope many readers go to your link, as it is very useful in understanding possible alternative uses for the South Washington properties.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Williams (The Little City of Falls Church)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Williams (The Little City of Falls Church)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a few off-line discussions on this topic -- which I consider to be an important one -- I took some time to share some additional thoughts (too long for this comment section) here:

http://www.fallschurchinsider.com/2010/02/commercial-development-in-the-little-city-of-falls-church/

I&#039;d welcome input from other residents either on that post or here on FCT.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a few off-line discussions on this topic &#8212; which I consider to be an important one &#8212; I took some time to share some additional thoughts (too long for this comment section) here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fallschurchinsider.com/2010/02/commercial-development-in-the-little-city-of-falls-church/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fallschurchinsider.com/2010/02/commercial-development-in-the-little-city-of-falls-church/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d welcome input from other residents either on that post or here on FCT.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Williams (The Little City of Falls Church)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Williams (The Little City of Falls Church)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud Mike for sharing his vision.  Our City needs more people like Mike who are willing to take the time to do some practical analysis and share ideas for how our City can be sustainable long-term.

I also have a lot of respect for Bob Young and his experience, and I appreciate all he&#039;s done for the City as well.

Ultimately, I agree with Ira&#039;s comment: &quot;I am not prepared to give up on the City and its ability to attract significant Commercial/Office space.&quot;

Andy R. and I moved our now ~40-person consulting business to the Tax Analysts building in 2007.  Why? Mostly location, (a lack of) congestion, and community.  Our staff is spread out from Rockville to Alexandria, Ashburn to DC.  Falls Church is central.  Not too far into DC (like Arlington), not too far out (like Reston), and not a congested mess (like Tysons).  We wanted to be closer to either EFC or WFC metro, but there wasn&#039;t any Class A space available.  We also liked the concept of having our business (and ourselves) be involved in the local community, as we have been.  Now, the City&#039;s financial future can&#039;t rest entirely on small businesses like ours renting in 8,000 sq ft chunks, but it&#039;s worth thinking about a real-world example.

I would love to see over the next 10 years the entire S. Washington Corridor redeveloped into a business district, predominantly with buildings comparable to what Mike outlines above (commercial with retail).  Some mixed-use similar to Pearson Sq. would fit nicely as well.

I expect the N. Washington Corridor could see similar growth, especially if Arlington Co. follows through with a proposal to expand the EFC station such that passengers can enter/exit up on N. Washington.  If that indeed happens, the entire north side of CoFC would become significantly more accessible via mass transit, and therefore would benefit from high-density commercial and residential (mixed-use) construction.

Where else?  The eastern edge of the City (around Seven Corners) could undergo a comprehensive redevelopment at some point, resulting in high-density retail/residential/commercial, though that seems to be a fair way off.  The western edge (along Broad) could also see an overhaul someday (at least the south side), but it seems like that will be more piecemeal, similar to what we&#039;ve seen added along Broad thus far.

And that&#039;s pretty much it.  The rest of our City (happily enough) is quiet residential.  There just aren&#039;t many areas suitable for commercial development, so giving up on one pocket (like this area of S. Washington) has a big long-term impact on what we can do in the future.

I recognize that commercial building isn&#039;t practical in this economy, but now is the time to position ourselves for the rebound.  Again, I agree with Ira: &quot;it will take a few years of hard work to make it happen. I am sure that it can be done.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud Mike for sharing his vision.  Our City needs more people like Mike who are willing to take the time to do some practical analysis and share ideas for how our City can be sustainable long-term.</p>
<p>I also have a lot of respect for Bob Young and his experience, and I appreciate all he&#8217;s done for the City as well.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I agree with Ira&#8217;s comment: &#8220;I am not prepared to give up on the City and its ability to attract significant Commercial/Office space.&#8221;</p>
<p>Andy R. and I moved our now ~40-person consulting business to the Tax Analysts building in 2007.  Why? Mostly location, (a lack of) congestion, and community.  Our staff is spread out from Rockville to Alexandria, Ashburn to DC.  Falls Church is central.  Not too far into DC (like Arlington), not too far out (like Reston), and not a congested mess (like Tysons).  We wanted to be closer to either EFC or WFC metro, but there wasn&#8217;t any Class A space available.  We also liked the concept of having our business (and ourselves) be involved in the local community, as we have been.  Now, the City&#8217;s financial future can&#8217;t rest entirely on small businesses like ours renting in 8,000 sq ft chunks, but it&#8217;s worth thinking about a real-world example.</p>
<p>I would love to see over the next 10 years the entire S. Washington Corridor redeveloped into a business district, predominantly with buildings comparable to what Mike outlines above (commercial with retail).  Some mixed-use similar to Pearson Sq. would fit nicely as well.</p>
<p>I expect the N. Washington Corridor could see similar growth, especially if Arlington Co. follows through with a proposal to expand the EFC station such that passengers can enter/exit up on N. Washington.  If that indeed happens, the entire north side of CoFC would become significantly more accessible via mass transit, and therefore would benefit from high-density commercial and residential (mixed-use) construction.</p>
<p>Where else?  The eastern edge of the City (around Seven Corners) could undergo a comprehensive redevelopment at some point, resulting in high-density retail/residential/commercial, though that seems to be a fair way off.  The western edge (along Broad) could also see an overhaul someday (at least the south side), but it seems like that will be more piecemeal, similar to what we&#8217;ve seen added along Broad thus far.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s pretty much it.  The rest of our City (happily enough) is quiet residential.  There just aren&#8217;t many areas suitable for commercial development, so giving up on one pocket (like this area of S. Washington) has a big long-term impact on what we can do in the future.</p>
<p>I recognize that commercial building isn&#8217;t practical in this economy, but now is the time to position ourselves for the rebound.  Again, I agree with Ira: &#8220;it will take a few years of hard work to make it happen. I am sure that it can be done.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ira Kaylin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ira Kaylin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Mike’s vision makes a lot of sense.  After reviewing the City’s fiscal numbers it is clear that larger scale commercial/office development is far and away the best option for reconciling increasing City expenditures in the face of declining or stagnant real estate revenues.  As Bob Butchko stated we have to “grab the bull by the horns” and make a concerted and concentrated, long term effort to promote revenue producing, non residential, projects. I fully concur.

As regards Bob Young’s comment, it is understandable. Mr. Young is a developer of small to medium size projects. Let’s be clear, these types of projects will never generate sufficient revenue to sustain the City. 

City Staff indicated that the City may need to lease/rent up to 50% of the 360 South Washington building in order that Mr. Young qualify for commercial financing. It is not surprising that he would support the project; he buys the property and the City guarantees its profitability.

Mr. Young has a great deal of experience in Falls Church; however, as an EDA member, I am not prepared to give up on the City and its ability to attract significant Commercial/Office space. Predicting failure before a new concerted effort has been made is not an approach that will lead to fiscal sustainability.

The mixed use development strategy followed by the City has produced additional revenue.  However, even with the most optimistic assumptions regarding the potential revenue producing capabilities of all the proposed (but not yet initiated) mixed use projects still leave the City with permanent budget shortfalls.

Mike’s vision provides a viable path for the City to move forward, retain its independence, maintain quality schools and, if done as suggested, retain its character. As he states this is long term approach; it will take a few years of hard work to make it happen.  I am sure that it can be done.

The proposed Wilden project will make achieving the goal of fiscal sustainability for Falls Church City even more difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Mike’s vision makes a lot of sense.  After reviewing the City’s fiscal numbers it is clear that larger scale commercial/office development is far and away the best option for reconciling increasing City expenditures in the face of declining or stagnant real estate revenues.  As Bob Butchko stated we have to “grab the bull by the horns” and make a concerted and concentrated, long term effort to promote revenue producing, non residential, projects. I fully concur.</p>
<p>As regards Bob Young’s comment, it is understandable. Mr. Young is a developer of small to medium size projects. Let’s be clear, these types of projects will never generate sufficient revenue to sustain the City. </p>
<p>City Staff indicated that the City may need to lease/rent up to 50% of the 360 South Washington building in order that Mr. Young qualify for commercial financing. It is not surprising that he would support the project; he buys the property and the City guarantees its profitability.</p>
<p>Mr. Young has a great deal of experience in Falls Church; however, as an EDA member, I am not prepared to give up on the City and its ability to attract significant Commercial/Office space. Predicting failure before a new concerted effort has been made is not an approach that will lead to fiscal sustainability.</p>
<p>The mixed use development strategy followed by the City has produced additional revenue.  However, even with the most optimistic assumptions regarding the potential revenue producing capabilities of all the proposed (but not yet initiated) mixed use projects still leave the City with permanent budget shortfalls.</p>
<p>Mike’s vision provides a viable path for the City to move forward, retain its independence, maintain quality schools and, if done as suggested, retain its character. As he states this is long term approach; it will take a few years of hard work to make it happen.  I am sure that it can be done.</p>
<p>The proposed Wilden project will make achieving the goal of fiscal sustainability for Falls Church City even more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Stan, for bringing together in one place the beginning of the dialogue we would like to host  a forum to facilitate in the immediate next week or so.  I will be finding the time, place and panel for that event as soon as this next snow gives us the opportunity to get back to work next week.

In the meantime, please note that The Wilden will not be heard in public session until March 1, most likely.  We have requested a deferral and the Planning Director will be providing us with the revised work session and hearing schedule shortly.  Carol J, FCHC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Stan, for bringing together in one place the beginning of the dialogue we would like to host  a forum to facilitate in the immediate next week or so.  I will be finding the time, place and panel for that event as soon as this next snow gives us the opportunity to get back to work next week.</p>
<p>In the meantime, please note that The Wilden will not be heard in public session until March 1, most likely.  We have requested a deferral and the Planning Director will be providing us with the revised work session and hearing schedule shortly.  Carol J, FCHC</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Fendley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Fendley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally,

Thanks for your question.  Some of the information is in FCHC&#039;s application for low-income housing credits from the Virginia Housing Development Authority.  We do not have permission to post the entire application, but one can get access to it by request at https://www.vhda.org/VHDA_Apps/TaxCreditApps/TCRegistration.asp.  
It takes about 24 hours to get access.  You ask for access to the City Center Senior South Apartment application, the pre-Wilden name for the project. 

Stan Fendley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally,</p>
<p>Thanks for your question.  Some of the information is in FCHC&#8217;s application for low-income housing credits from the Virginia Housing Development Authority.  We do not have permission to post the entire application, but one can get access to it by request at <a href="https://www.vhda.org/VHDA_Apps/TaxCreditApps/TCRegistration.asp" rel="nofollow">https://www.vhda.org/VHDA_Apps/TaxCreditApps/TCRegistration.asp</a>.<br />
It takes about 24 hours to get access.  You ask for access to the City Center Senior South Apartment application, the pre-Wilden name for the project. </p>
<p>Stan Fendley</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Phillips, Falls Church City</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally Phillips, Falls Church City</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are financial specifics re the City&#039;s commitment to the Wilden anywhere on line?  I can&#039;t find them.  Eighteen months ago when we were considering the CCSA, there was a lot of material on line.  So can someone tell me where the info is, or (when we dig out) will someone put it online?  Thanks!  --Sally Phillips</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are financial specifics re the City&#8217;s commitment to the Wilden anywhere on line?  I can&#8217;t find them.  Eighteen months ago when we were considering the CCSA, there was a lot of material on line.  So can someone tell me where the info is, or (when we dig out) will someone put it online?  Thanks!  &#8211;Sally Phillips</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Fendley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Fendley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Thanks for keeping us straight!  I&#039;ve changed the last line accordingly.  We will look forward to learning more when the City Council and Planning Commission schedule discussion of the project.

Stan Fendley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Thanks for keeping us straight!  I&#8217;ve changed the last line accordingly.  We will look forward to learning more when the City Council and Planning Commission schedule discussion of the project.</p>
<p>Stan Fendley</p>
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		<title>By: John D. Lawrence, City of Falls Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D. Lawrence, City of Falls Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a clarification on the last line of the posting that says &quot;The City Council and Planning Commission will meet to discuss The Wilden proposal on Monday Feb. 15.&quot;  Not true.  First, Feb. 15 is President&#039;s Day so no one is meeting on anything at all.  Second, although the PC (Disclosure: I&#039;m the chair) was scheduled to meet about the FCHC project on Tuesday, Feb. 16, that was defererd at FCHC&#039;s request to March 15.  There might be a work session (I don&#039;t know whether it would be joint or separate) between Feb. 16 and March 15, but nothing&#039;s scheduled right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a clarification on the last line of the posting that says &#8220;The City Council and Planning Commission will meet to discuss The Wilden proposal on Monday Feb. 15.&#8221;  Not true.  First, Feb. 15 is President&#8217;s Day so no one is meeting on anything at all.  Second, although the PC (Disclosure: I&#8217;m the chair) was scheduled to meet about the FCHC project on Tuesday, Feb. 16, that was defererd at FCHC&#8217;s request to March 15.  There might be a work session (I don&#8217;t know whether it would be joint or separate) between Feb. 16 and March 15, but nothing&#8217;s scheduled right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Rankin (Falls Church)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Rankin (Falls Church)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a topic I have a lot of thoughts about - but my main question right now is for Bob Young.  First, let me say that I think the work Bob has done in the City has been a real benefit and I personally appreciate him investing in the City.  I value his opinion of things quite a bit - he&#039;s been around.

He says he doesn&#039;t think the City can ever attract significant commercial development (at least not in the next 20 years) and he points to the past as the explanation for that.  But what about Falls Church (now or in the past) makes it so unappealing?  I&#039;m not saying we shouldn&#039;t acknowledge our history of poor performance in this area - but what do people think the reasons are?

Bob mentions two notable exceptions (Tax Analysts and Kaiser) - is there something about those two that we should look more carefully at and try to replicate?

I generally support mixed use development but I think we need to be careful.  For example, the Pearson Square building would be a pretty big negative for the City if it didn&#039;t come with the Tax Analyst building.  I also think that the next round of mixed use development will need to come with a new school - so we have to figure out how to pay for that.

I&#039;ll reiterate again, I really respect Bob&#039;s thoughts on what can be done in the City but I&#039;d love to hear more specifically why he thinks we have so much trouble attracting commercial development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a topic I have a lot of thoughts about &#8211; but my main question right now is for Bob Young.  First, let me say that I think the work Bob has done in the City has been a real benefit and I personally appreciate him investing in the City.  I value his opinion of things quite a bit &#8211; he&#8217;s been around.</p>
<p>He says he doesn&#8217;t think the City can ever attract significant commercial development (at least not in the next 20 years) and he points to the past as the explanation for that.  But what about Falls Church (now or in the past) makes it so unappealing?  I&#8217;m not saying we shouldn&#8217;t acknowledge our history of poor performance in this area &#8211; but what do people think the reasons are?</p>
<p>Bob mentions two notable exceptions (Tax Analysts and Kaiser) &#8211; is there something about those two that we should look more carefully at and try to replicate?</p>
<p>I generally support mixed use development but I think we need to be careful.  For example, the Pearson Square building would be a pretty big negative for the City if it didn&#8217;t come with the Tax Analyst building.  I also think that the next round of mixed use development will need to come with a new school &#8211; so we have to figure out how to pay for that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll reiterate again, I really respect Bob&#8217;s thoughts on what can be done in the City but I&#8217;d love to hear more specifically why he thinks we have so much trouble attracting commercial development.</p>
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